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[Oldrodder]

THIS IS A REPLY I RECEIVED AFTER MAKING SOME ENQUIRIES REGARDING THE NEW ACCESS TO THE RVA AT STOCKTON.
I ASKED IF THERE WAS ANY CANCE OF HAVING AN AREA THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE 4WD'S FOR SAFETY REASONS.
WE NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND MAKE A SUBMISSION.

Thank you for your feedback on the recent upgrade of the Lavis Lane access.

The upgrade was necessary for a number of reasons, chief among them being to ensure that visitors to the Worimi Conservation Lands access directly onto the park. The previous 4WD access was resulting in visitors crossing private land. Further work on the upgraded access will be completed over coming weeks and should go some way to further improving 4WD and ATV access.

NPWS is starting work on a plan of management for the Worimi Conservation Lands. This will involve consultation with the public and groups who have an interest in the WCL.

Your enquiry regarding an ATV only area will be considered together with all feedback received during the consultation for the plan of management. Work on the plan will take some time. Once a draft plan has been completed it will be placed on public exhibition for 90 days, during which time anyone may make a submission. NPWS and the WCL Board of Management will consider the submissions received, and may recommend changes. A final plan is then adopted by the Minister responsible for the NSW National Parks and Wildlife Act.

The annual Stockton beach clean up day is being held on Sunday 31st October (see attachment). This great community day will also be an opportunity for participants to find out more about the plan of management and let us know what they think about the WCL.

The plan of management display will also be set up at near the Lavis Lane carpark on the afternoon of Saturday 30th October. This will be another opportunity for park visitors, including ATV riders to find out about the planning process and have some input.

[Oldrodder]

I have listed below the information as sent to myself and the upcoming meeting between interested parties regarding Stockton.
I have booked myself into this workshop and was hoping to have some other concerned people attend with me. If you can not attend but would like me to put something to them personally please email me on ausrod1934@bigpond.com.
Now is your chance if you ride at Stockton to have a say.


Plan of Management

The National Parks and Wildlife Service (NPWS) is starting work on preparing a Plan of Management for the Worimi Conservation Lands. The Plan will outline how the Park will be managed in the future.

Consultation with the community, Park users and other stakeholders has commenced. An important part of this work is to identify the values of the Worimi Conservation Lands, and issues for consideration when preparing the Plan.

* A public workshop to identify the values and management issues will be held on Sunday 7th November at the Anna Bay Public School Hall, 191 Gan Gan Road.
* To attend please RSVP by Monday 1st November by calling 49848204. This will assist with arrangements to help ensure everyone gets the most out of the workshop.
* For more information click here.



Do you have something to contribute to the Plan of Management?

* Why are the Worimi Conservation Lands important to you?
* What issues do you think need to be considered in the Plan of Management?

You can respond by listing your answers to these questions, and/or any other comments in the form available here, and be sure to click the ‘submit’ button so that we receive your comments.

[niftynev]

Heard the saying "SNOOZE YOU LOOSE"
well that’s what will happen if you don’t attend and have a say at the open day on 30/10/2010 at Lavis Lane to talk to National Parks about the Rec Rego area and ATV riding on the dunes.

Our forum is full of complaints and whingers - now its time to get off our butts and have a say at the meeting organised especially for us to do just that.

National Parks are holding a day especially for ATV riders who ride the beach at Stockton to come along and raise issues with the people who manage the park.

Don’t let the opportunity slip by and if you do don’t whinge

There is a public meeting on the 7/11/2010 at Anna Bay also.
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[Oldrodder]

I have had a number of conversations with different bosses at NPWS and they want our input and they also want our support for clean up day.

Don't be afraid to put a proposal on paper to give to them and don't be afraid to aim a bit higher for more than we want.

If you don't want to give it to them send it to me and I will submit it on the 7th.

ie: Access to bowl, access to high dunes until they are mined, RVA for RVA vehicles only.
As long as it is reasonably sensible they will look at it, but being a Government Department they won't make any promises.

[Oldrodder]

Myself and my wife attended the plan of management meeting for the Stockton Bight NPWS planning committee.
This was a meeting of interested people regarding the future of Stockton.

One of the things I learnt is that the NPWS can never grant us access to the bowl area or the high dunes as these are not part of the area that they are responsible for, they are actually private property.

I have registered to be a part of the planning committee as a spokeperson for the Aussie Trike Crew and I will keep you all updated as things progress.
The process will take at least 12 months.

[Valley Triker]

First congrats at being so enthusiastic about the hole Stockton beach NPWS debate and for taking on a REP position for the crew.
I look forward to any updates for plans and changes in the future.

[ozquad44]

Hi guys, can someone please post a quick summary of what is happening over there in Stockton.

I get mixed messages all the time. Have areas been closed off recently? for interstate visitors can you still buy temporary rego and a permit to take an ATV out to the dunes?

The cynic in me is thinking that the only reason the term Worimi Conservation Lands is being used now is because it makes a great platform to ease ATV riders out of that area all together. lets hope I'm just being paranoid.

I like the idea of separating 4WDs from ATV's but rules like that have a nasty habit of backfiring. Imagine the small parcel of land that would be allocated to ATV's, it would be like going to see how many clowns the ashton circus can fit into a mini.

Anyway, a nice short summary of what has and is going on in Stockton for us out of towners would be nice.

At the end of the day, I hope that a suitable riding area will be preserved for future of our sport and the ATV community.

P.S. The bowl and the high dunes are what the place is all about for me. who the owns that land. Are they selling time share
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State governments give us REC rego + area to ride ATVs legaly! State Status: VIC-No (Nazi's) QLD-Yes(no place to ride tho) NT-? NSW-Yes, Stockton. TAS-Yes, Areas for ATVs + ATV rego, Go Tazzie . WA-Yes, 2 top places within 1hr of Perth. ACT-? SA-No

[Oldrodder]

The area was handed over several years ago to the Worimi Aboriginal Community and is managed by the National Parks and Wildlife Service.
Yes you can stil get permits but you also need Recreational Rego for Stocktonl

From what I could find out at the meeting is that the only reason we are still allowed there is that one of the Worimi Committee members has trikes and still wants somewhere to use them.

They have given us a small area to ride in and called it the RVA, whilst the 4WD's can go anywhere as well as the RVA.
They have recently put in a new road that puts all of the traffic directly into the RVA and made it like Pitt St.

The reason for all these new meetings is that NPWS is forming a new Management Plan and are giving anyone a say who wants to have a say.
As I said previously the NPWS can not give us legal access to the high dunes or the bowl as these two areas are private land and not part of what the NPWS manage.

With our input we hope to get some more dunes and the 4WD's out of the RVA but this is a slow process.

That is it for now, we will keep everyone informed as things progress.

[ozquad44]

Thanks for that Oldrodder, thank god for trike riders eh! Without them we would be right royally screwed.

let me get this straight. Big heavy, gas guzzling, rut making, bog prone four wheel drives are allowed to go anywhere on these lands. But the light, low footprint, hill climbing freedom machines designed specifically to easily maneuver around in that environment (sand) are limited to a small area, which just happens to be a main thoroughfare for all traffic.

Good decisions right there I see

The people who make the call on these things rarely understand what they are talking about when it comes to ATV's I hope you boys over there in stockton get how lucky you guys have it and are putting forward a good argument for your own rights.

Perhaps you should take some of the Nat parks people for a leisurely ride one day. Just to let them know what they are missing out on
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State governments give us REC rego + area to ride ATVs legaly! State Status: VIC-No (Nazi's) QLD-Yes(no place to ride tho) NT-? NSW-Yes, Stockton. TAS-Yes, Areas for ATVs + ATV rego, Go Tazzie . WA-Yes, 2 top places within 1hr of Perth. ACT-? SA-No

[Oldrodder]

Valley Triker wrote:

First congrats at being so enthusiastic about the hole Stockton beach NPWS debate and for taking on a REP position for the crew. I look forward to any updates for plans and changes in the future.

Looks like being enthusiastic and taking the time to attend things has again been a waste of time, well as far as I can see at this point.
As a rep for the Aussie Trike Crew we have been rejected as they are only going to have one ATV representative, his name is Brendan, I am unsure if he is on OZATV or not.
There will be 12 in total but it seems we will not be one of them.

I have been assured that we will be able to contact him so that he can put our views forward.

If only I could win that elusive LOTTO. Then I would set up our own property to ride on. ALL Trikes Welcome.

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[ForeverThreeWheels]

Thanx for your effort Glen, I appreciate it mate.
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[greenhuman]

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"P.S. The bowl and the high dunes are what the place is all about for me. who the owns that land. Are they selling time share "

If you were willing to go in there and extract multiple millions of tons of sand over the next 50 years and leave the place looking absolutely discraceful, your'e In like Flynn. Also, don't forget to remove ancient and sacred artifacts including human remains while no one is looking.
If you want to go there once a week, ride around and cause no damage like has been going on for decades, forget it.

[Oldrodder]

John is absolutely correct it's all about the big almighty $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Whilst making out they actually give a "profanity removed".
At this stage in my life you would think I would be used to this but I keep having hope the little fella may one day win. HOW WRONG, WRONG WRONG I AM, LIFE SUCKS FELLAS GET USED TO IT.

[Pantsly]

What are the fines like for riding "out of bounds" I've spent my life being law abiding and been shat on by the Australian govenment for my efforts. So now my opinion is do as you like and pay the fines I cant weasel out off. Not a good attitude to have but we are forced to this by a Govenment who will spend $400,000,000 to flood pristine farm land but ride a low impact vehicle on dunes and your a criminal. After ten years travelling the world I can say we are in the top five for over regulated countries on earth " The lucky country" ? HOW? rant over..........

[atcmatt]

I agree with you pantsly. Just wing it. The bowl is a mad place to ride. You can usually just weasel your way out of fines if you act dumb and dont be a smart arse.
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[Oldrodder]

What I would like to ask NPWS is, if we pay the same amount of money for the permit that we need to access Stockton as the 4WD's then why do we not have the same access to the areas that they do.

[ForeverThreeWheels]

Oldrodder wrote:

What I would like to ask NPWS is, if we pay the same amount of money for the permit that we need to access Stockton as the 4WD's then why do we not have the same access to the areas that they do.

Good point!
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[waza_64]

Oldrodder wrote:

What I would like to ask NPWS is, if we pay the same amount of money for the permit that we need to access Stockton as the 4WD's then why do we not have the same access to the areas that they do.

That question is easy Glen. 4WD are road registered and the park is a road related area requiring road registration. Quads/trikes are not road regoistered and can only ride within the RVA. Stockton is the only area of road/road related area where quads/trikes with conditional rego can ride in NSW. Unfortunately thats the motor traffic Act.

To get into the private land (Bowl and high dunes) from the park you have to go outside the RVA which is marked by the white poles. Even where you ride to the west of the poles on the sand thats out of the RVA.

The plan of management comittee selected one rep per user group/stakeholder. That is 1 4WD, 1 Camping, 1 ATV etc. I tghink there are 12 reps in total. Any questions give me a call.
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[Oldrodder]

waza_64 wrote:

Oldrodder wrote: What I would like to ask NPWS is, if we pay the same amount of money for the permit that we need to access Stockton as the 4WD's then why do we not have the same access to the areas that they do. That question is easy Glen. 4WD are road registered and the park is a road related area requiring road registration. Quads/trikes are not road regoistered and can only ride within the RVA. Stockton is the only area of road/road related area where quads/trikes with conditional rego can ride in NSW. Unfortunately thats the motor traffic Act. To get into the private land (Bowl and high dunes) from the park you have to go outside the RVA which is marked by the white poles. Even where you ride to the west of the poles on the sand thats out of the RVA. The plan of management comittee selected one rep per user group/stakeholder. That is 1 4WD, 1 Camping, 1 ATV etc. I tghink there are 12 reps in total. Any questions give me a call.

So according to you we are supposed to feel grateful for being taken advantage of, same price for permit but only a fraction of the area available to access. Since it was handed over to Worimi the permits have gotten dearer and the area to ride less. Explain to us all why we should give you a call, we don't know who you are.
12 on the committee but most of them are people who make money from the place.

[stu Fifty Arrrrrrrrr]

Oldrodder wrote:

waza_64 wrote: Oldrodder wrote: What I would like to ask NPWS is, if we pay the same amount of money for the permit that we need to access Stockton as the 4WD's then why do we not have the same access to the areas that they do. That question is easy Glen. 4WD are road registered and the park is a road related area requiring road registration. Quads/trikes are not road regoistered and can only ride within the RVA. Stockton is the only area of road/road related area where quads/trikes with conditional rego can ride in NSW. Unfortunately thats the motor traffic Act. To get into the private land (Bowl and high dunes) from the park you have to go outside the RVA which is marked by the white poles. Even where you ride to the west of the poles on the sand thats out of the RVA. The plan of management comittee selected one rep per user group/stakeholder. That is 1 4WD, 1 Camping, 1 ATV etc. I tghink there are 12 reps in total. Any questions give me a call. So according to you we are supposed to feel grateful for being taken advantage of, same price for permit but only a fraction of the area available to access. Since it was handed over to Worimi the permits have gotten dearer and the area to ride less. Explain to us all why we should give you a call, we don't know who you are. 12 on the committee but most of them are people who make money from the place.

So what makes the "park" a road related area what is the need for road registration?, perhaps they should offer us the chance to register our atvs for road use, I for one would be happy to pay for that, if I'm granted the same privilages as the 4wd's, and yes I would definately modify my atv, atc so it complies with road regulations, ridiculous you say no more so than us paying full price for a reduced riding area that we share with 4wds anyway! Wazza do ride an atv or drive a 4wd. Cheers Stu. And Oldrodder thankyou for fighting on behalf of us all.
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[waza_64]

[quote="stu Fifty Arrrrrrrrr"][quote="Oldrodder"][quote="waza_64"]

Oldrodder wrote:

Wazza do ride an atv or drive a 4wd.

No quad or Trike a conditionally registered YZF 250. Nothing flash but its fun.

The NSW Motor Traffic Act makes it a road related area. Push the Govt for other areas to ride why settle for just Stockton. Victoria has a system where you can ride in state forests on their road network.

Recreational motorcycle registration Victoria
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/WhatHasToBeRegistered/OtherVehiclesBoatsAndRegistrationIssues/RecreationalMotorcycleRegistration.htm

[stu Fifty Arrrrrrrrr]

[quote="waza_64"][quote="stu Fifty Arrrrrrrrr"][quote="Oldrodder"]

waza_64 wrote:

Oldrodder wrote: Wazza do ride an atv or drive a 4wd. No quad or Trike a conditionally registered YZF 250. Nothing flash but its fun. The NSW Motor Traffic Act makes it a road related area. Push the Govt for other areas to ride why settle for just Stockton. Victoria has a system where you can ride in state forests on their road network. Recreational motorcycle registration Victoria http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Registration/WhatHasToBeRegistered/OtherVehiclesBoatsAndRegistrationIssues/RecreationalMotorcycleRegistration.htm

Yes we understand the NSW ACT make it a road related area but why?, In what way is it related to the roads? YOU SAY "why settle for stockton" thats what you guys dont understand, we are not settling, we love the area and the riding, why push for other areas when we have exactly what we want right here, some of the riders here have had generations ride before them sharing stories and photos, and I for one want my daughter and any future children to grow up exploring this beautiful place without restrictions.
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[Oldrodder]

Don't encourage them Stu, they don't understand we just want something back that we used to have, we want some challenging dunes like we used to have not semi flat hills that have been sand mined.

Lake Macquarie will be next.

[ButcherBoy]

Oldrodder wrote:

Don't encourage them Stu, they don't understand we just want something back that we used to have, we want some challenging dunes like we used to have not semi flat hills that have been sand mined. Lake Macquarie will be next.

Lake Macquarie is already in the process.
It's sad.....
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[greenhuman]

I remember saying something along these lines about the lake a while ago. Only a matter of time. Mooring costs will increase, use of the lake tarriffs, restrictions on where you can use your boat and probably a name change as well. I would be grinning my head off like the bloke on the front page of the paper as well. I wish these people would go and make claims in England or Poland or wherever their other ancestors come from and see how far they'd get.
I nearly took some bottles of lake water to sell at the Biggest Boot Sale on Sunday. Could be worth a fortune one day.