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Well it's on again with a full field of 30 quads set for 2 weeks of hell starting in Argintina and this year finishing in Peru. Again mainly Raptors with a healthy smattering of Renegades a few 700XX's and 690 powered Outlaws.

Unfortunatly we have got controversy before the race has even started as the Patronelli brothers have protested a bunch of Euro quad riders and 8 of them are in negiotations with the officials.

N° Name Mark Model
250 PATRONELLI Alejandro (ARG) YAMAHARAPTOR 700
251 MACHACEK Josef (CZE) YAMAHA RAPTOR
252 PATRONELLI Marcos (ARG) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700
253 LASKAWIEC Lukasz (POL) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700
254 DECLERCK Christophe (FRA) POLARIS OUTLAW 690
255 SONIK Rafal (POL) YAMAHA YFM 700R Raptor
256 COPETTI Pablo sebastian (ARG) YAMAHA Raptor 700
257 MAFFEI Tomas (ARG) YAMAHA 650 GRW
259 LIPAROTI Camélia (ITA) YAMAHA YSM 700R SE
260 MAZZUCCO Daniel (ARG) CAN-AM RENEGADE 800 X
261 CENKOV Petar (BGR) CAN-AM
262 GAGLIARDI Luciano (ARG) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700 R
263 LA FUENTE Sergio (URY) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700
264 CASALE Ignacio (CHL) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700
265 LECOMTE Antoine (FRA) HONDA 700 TRX
266 RAMIREZ Rodrigo (CHL) CAN-AM RENEGADE 800
267 ALMEIDA Mauro (URY) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700
268 GUT Frederico (ARG) POLARIS 850 XP
269 FUENZALIDA Emiliano (CHL) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700 R
270 HENDERSON Luis (URY) HONDA 700
271 CANGANI Norberto (ITA) POLARIS 690 OUTLAW
272 FLORES SEMINARIO IGNACIO (PER) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700R
273 ALBINOWSKI MACIEJ (POL) YAMAHA RAPTOR
274 DUVERNEY-PRET LAURENT (FRA) HONDA TRX 700
275 VACHKOV MLADEN (BGR) CAN-AM
276 CRUCES BARRY (CHL) CAN-AM RENEGADE XXC
277 JURADO MAURICIO (ARG) CAN-AM 800 XXC
278 TONETTI Roberto (ITA) YAMAHA RAPTOR 700
280 ALARD Frederic (FRA) HONDA 700 TRX
282 BONETTO LUCAS (ARG) HONDA TRX700XX

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Latest is that 6 of them have been excluded from the race including Rafal Sonik and Josef Machachek.

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QUOTE ADV RIDER from someone in Argintina

"Problem is quite simple, rules this year establishes max 750 cc for quads.
Machacez quad, and his team uses same tdm 900cc as in previous years, so they are out of rules.
I know some of the argentienan quad drivers, and they were really happy that the 900 were out of the race so more competitve with production quads with mpds.
It happen that these quads are now being reconsidered as leagl, even rules are very clear (I am at the phoen, no rules here, but have it at notebook, will post later).
Even last year winner, Alejandro Patronelli quit to use last year 900cc quad, at took 2010 700cc Raptor.
So I do nor believe it is someone being scared of someone else,just claim to use same rules for all"

750cc Max means no Renegades

[Roycroft]

Rules sound pretty clear to me, was there confusion with cc limit as i heard they put this rule in ages ago.
Why would
You turn up with a quad over cc limit?
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Roycroft wrote:

Rules sound pretty clear to me, was there confusion with cc limit as i heard they put this rule in ages ago. Why would You turn up with a quad over cc limit?

Now that I know the details I compleatly agree. Not only was it a bonehead move to enter with a quad over the cc limit but you must state the class and your capacity on the entry form.

2wd - 750cc
4wd - 900cc

[Linc]

The whole situation is just crappy as it seems the engine capacity doesn't seem to have been an issue. The French Polaris's with the 690 engines have been disqualified and the Euro Raptors with the TDM900 engines are supposed to have been de-tunned to 750cc.

They may be able to start but are still excluded form official standings.

[armco]

080.7.1.2 Quads
These machines are based on series production quads, homologated
(allowed to be used on roads open to traffic), according to Group G or H.
which can be modified and/or equipped for Off-Road Cross-Country Rallies
competition.
The main parts: chassis and the engine (cylinder, cylinder head and
crankcase) used must be a standard component, and must be freely available
to the public. These main parts may be modified, with the exception of the
crankcase, but must fulfil the FIM Technical Rules for Cross-Country Rallies
- Quads category.
Please refer to the Technical Rules, Quads, for the capacity authorised per
group.

[wa5]

Daily updates at 5.30 pm on SBS..

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SBS can take a flying leap as they dont show the quad class.......watch it on FOXTEL.

[John Mags]

I don't have foxtel so SBS it is for me.

Not very clear on the rules but I would imagine that Machaceck and Sonik would have spent alot of time detuning the TDM down to 750cc. The TDM engine is freely available as is the Raptor chassis.

The only thing I can see wrong is that they were not manufactured with those engines, which is open to interpretation on the rules. If that is the case then that really sucks as that would be the end of an era for the big bore twin custom Dakar quads, mine included.
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[John Mags]

EXTRACT OF QUAD REGULATIONS
The principal parts: the chassis and engine (cylinder, cylinder head and crankcase)
used shall be standard parts and shall be freely available to the public. These principal
parts, with the exception of the crankcases, may be modified but shall respect the
FIM Technical Rules for Cross-Country Rallies – Quads category.
Two groups are authorised:
- Group G/ Competition quad:
Propelled by the movement of two wheels (2-wheel drive).
- Group H /Competition quad:
Propelled by the movement of four wheels (4-wheel drive).
Refer to article 01.7/ Classes for the definition.
60.01 Engine capacity
Group G:
- from 250 cc to 350 cc for 2-stroke, two-cylinder engines,
- up to 500 cc for 2-stroke, single-cylinder engines,
- up to 750 cc for 4-stroke, single-cylinder and two-cylinder engines.
Group H:
- up to 900 cc for 4-stroke, single-cylinder and two-cylinder engines.
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The whole thing is as clear as mud........both the engine and chassis are "production" and are not modified outside the rules. They seem to define Homoligated as "registered for the road" and they are registered; and if it's not then where is the list of homoligated quads.

shenanigans........

[armco]

11:26 : Declerck and Leconte reinstated to the quad standings.
Following a decision by the race stewards’ committee that demoted 7 non-compliant quads to a third class separate from the quad standings, several riders lodged an appeal. Two of them, Christophe Declerck and Antoine Leconte, succeeded in proving to the race officials that their vehicles were indeed based on standard quad models. As a result, they have been reinstated into the rankings as from stage 2, between Santa Rosa de la Pampa and San Rafael

These 2 outlaws powered by lc4 690 are back in,how i think they are back in quad class is that the polaris outlaw come out powered by ktm from factory and having 690 fitted engine still ktm and under 750 rule,bet they write the rules even tighter for 2013.

[armco]

We live in a nanny country , most european countries can get their quad
homoligated so they can ride on the road with full rego,all they have to do is put warning devices, hi-lo beam head lights,same as what 2 wheelers have.

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armco wrote:

11:26 : Declerck and Leconte reinstated to the quad standings. Following a decision by the race stewards’ committee that demoted 7 non-compliant quads to a third class separate from the quad standings, several riders lodged an appeal. Two of them, Christophe Declerck and Antoine Leconte, succeeded in proving to the race officials that their vehicles were indeed based on standard quad models. As a result, they have been reinstated into the rankings as from stage 2, between Santa Rosa de la Pampa and San Rafael These 2 outlaws powered by lc4 690 are back in,how i think they are back in quad class is that the polaris outlaw come out powered by ktm from factory and having 690 fitted engine still ktm and under 750 rule,bet they write the rules even tighter for 2013.

They are back in because they are French........The Chech quads are yamaha chassis's with yamaha engines.

[armco]

team work gotta love it ,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s843qdehMk&feature=player_embedded

[cowchaser]

Sorry Maggots but the quicker they make it OME engine and chassie the better.
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[Roycroft]

that would keep costs down.

the bikes have a 450cc limit and i bet you they are production based and have to have the original engine in it?
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cowchaser wrote:

Sorry Maggots but the quicker they make it OME engine and chassie the better.

I agree but if thats the rule why dont they just say that......

[Mad Fab/Snake Racing atv]

sounds like a big balls up buy some of the best teams out there
Hows it goin Smitty you up & about testing yet lol
& how r you John whats going 2 happen with the INTERCEPTER
Linc r you doing Condo bud ? What about Smitty will you be OK 2 compete
John can you cum do my fuel at FINK PLEASE lol
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[cowchaser]

Mad Fab/Snake Racing atv wrote:

sounds like a big balls up buy some of the best teams out there Hows it goin Smitty you up & about testing yet lol & how r you John whats going 2 happen with the INTERCEPTER Linc r you doing Condo bud ? What about Smitty will you be OK 2 compete John can you cum do my fuel at FINK PLEASE lol

I'm good mate had more surgery a week ago to remove some hardware. I've whacked on a few extra kgs while I been out of action. But I'll be ready for condo
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Mad Fab/Snake Racing atv wrote:

sounds like a big balls up buy some of the best teams out there Hows it goin Smitty you up & about testing yet lol & how r you John whats going 2 happen with the INTERCEPTER Linc r you doing Condo bud ? What about Smitty will you be OK 2 compete John can you cum do my fuel at FINK PLEASE lol

No racing for me for quite a while......