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John Mags
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| cowchaser wrote: | | Sorry Maggots but the quicker they make it OME engine and chassie the better. |
Don't be sorry bro, every one has an opinion and beleive it or not I do agree. A small loss for my personal effort is not as important as the greater benefit for the quad sport going to OEM engine and chassis. Clearly this would make the race more accessable and competitive.
Fact is this, the LC4 did not come out in the outlaw just as the TDM did not come out in the Raptor.
I would like more clarity on this if anyone can shed some light?
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| Mad Fab/Snake Racing atv wrote: | sounds like a big balls up buy some of the best teams out there
Hows it goin Smitty you up & about testing yet lol
& how r you John whats going 2 happen with the INTERCEPTER 
Linc r you doing Condo bud ? What about Smitty will you be OK 2 compete
John can you cum do my fuel at FINK PLEASE lol  |
Hey mate, the Interceptor will be used for all the Australian nav rallies and bonus that I don't have to take it down to 750cc which would have been a pain in the ass.
I would still like to do a fuel stop at Finke if time permits. I am flat out committed to doing Dakar and so work is now top priority to help make that happen.
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From what I can understand the issue is paperwork. There is no Homoligation list for quads so the ASO are taking the registration papers as Homoligation. If it was registered with that engine in it then it is Homoligated.
The French Polaris guys have proven (with alot of faxing) that their Outlaws were in fact registered with the LC4-690 engine installed so they are in. The Chech crew cant prove it so they they are out even though they were scrutineered and approved in Europe before they were loaded on the ship for South America.
Machechek has crack 'em so has decided to take his bat and ball and go home. |
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Thanks Linc for the updates. I was just watching this afternoon's SBS coverage and didn't understand why some quads were 'disqualified'. After reading this it makes a bit better sense.
Yes, SBS doesn't show a lot of the quads, but I don't have Foxtel (too cheap!).
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| bigjon wrote: | Thanks Linc for the updates. I was just watching this afternoon's SBS coverage and didn't understand why some quads were 'disqualified'. After reading this it makes a bit better sense.
Yes, SBS doesn't show a lot of the quads, but I don't have Foxtel (too cheap!). |
Coverage is a bit screwy this year. Day 1 SBS didn't have quads but Foxtel did. Day 2 Foxtel didn't have the cars but SBS did.......We can just be glad it all makes it on to youtube.
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| Linc wrote: | From what I can understand the issue is paperwork. There is no Homoligation list for quads so the ASO are taking the registration papers as Homoligation. If it was registered with that engine in it then it is Homoligated.
The French Polaris guys have proven (with alot of faxing) that their Outlaws were in fact registered with the LC4-690 engine installed so they are in. The Chech crew cant prove it so they they are out even though they were scrutineered and approved in Europe before they were loaded on the ship for South America.
Machechek has crack 'em so has decided to take his bat and ball and go home. |
You sure about this? Lot's of stories flying around. Does this mean it does not have to be the engine it came out with? Just needs to be "registered" as it is?
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| John Mags wrote: | | Linc wrote: | From what I can understand the issue is paperwork. There is no Homoligation list for quads so the ASO are taking the registration papers as Homoligation. If it was registered with that engine in it then it is Homoligated.
The French Polaris guys have proven (with alot of faxing) that their Outlaws were in fact registered with the LC4-690 engine installed so they are in. The Chech crew cant prove it so they they are out even though they were scrutineered and approved in Europe before they were loaded on the ship for South America.
Machechek has crack 'em so has decided to take his bat and ball and go home. |
You sure about this? Lot's of stories flying around. Does this mean it does not have to be the engine it came out with? Just needs to be "registered" as it is? |
Yep........you have to remember this whole thing came about because of a protest not failing the ASO tech inspection in France. The locals in South America complained and someone in the ASO said fair enough. The ASO got it wrong.
From there we have had a lot of back tracking from the ASO, firstly they could continue in another class then they could continue without clasification then some were let back in the race as they rightly pointed out there was no Homoligation list for quads so how could anyone prove if there quad was OEM or not. That would make all the quads disqualified.
Last year Husqvarna bikes could not be entered as they wern't on the Homoligation list for bikes.
Polaris comes with a KTM engine and China Quad comes with a Honda engine.........The Raptor engines are made under licence in Italy. Without a Homoligation list nothing can be proved.
A compleatly arbitrary decision was made in that if the quad was registered with the engine entered for the Dakar then it is OEM.......The Machecek Raptors would then be "Machecek Raptors" manufactured by Machecek from parts sourced from all over.
The French guys could prove it and the Chech guys could not. Machecek's quads are listed and entered as Yamaha's.
If the road rego papers had the engine number of the engine as entered in the Dakar then it is "stock".
The whole thing is BS and I'm sure it will be cleared up by next year so dont get your hopes up. The Maggs-850 is out.
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Keep the pics cumming Linc they r awsum bud 
Smitty great 2 here i am training hard, Were did you get your front cowl from & what map roller do you use, i found a KTM factory one $500
John that would be good if time permits. Question what bike will you ride in DAKAR, How much do you think it will be 2 compete & if you need any help just shout I should be on the tools with Bruce Garland in 2013 DAKAR with the new D-Max
Random question i can not c any FOX FLOATS on the front of any DAKAR Quads
Do we now y they r running coil overs is this because they might be stronger ??????
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John Mags
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Been watching Dakar on SBS every day so far and to the their credit they do present a Quad Catagory story everyday and also present the top three runners. In fact they now have quads on par with the trucks as far as presentation goes. 
I would imagine that the request to email ASO, and ask them to present quads better than they have in the past, has worked.
If you are one of the people who has e mailed them about getting better coverage for quads then well done! The quad catagory deserves it. 
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Totally agree, SBS has definitely stepped up their quad coverage this year.
This is one awesome event! They go from 50C to -8C the next day. The scenery is awesome and the locals are out there supporting the race.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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I haven't been able to watch the Dakar this year because of work.
If anybody has any links to some quad footage can they please post them up I would love to see it. |
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I just found some vids on the Dakar website.
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| SBS has all the episodes available on line. |
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http://www.sbs.com.au/dakar/
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How nasty was that bull dust today! 
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| Check tonights SBS coverage to see just how bad........ |
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