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[froggy]

same weekend still mick? cos this weekend is actually free for me!

[yogie]

Any more news Mick...
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[47industries]

The Thumb Pump 300 ATV Offroad Series round 1 will be run at a property 20km south of Pinnaroo, on the SA, Vic border.
Supregs have been submitted to MSA and we are awaiting confirmation.
The track is all sand to help cut down on dust, which was why we have taken so long to confirm the location. It was worth it. The access to the property is fine, apart from thhe final 2km which is sandy hills. 4x4 access is suggested, but we are working on getting clay layed on the track. Even still, I would not attempt to get all the way into the camp ground in a normal 2x4 car. We will however be able to drag trailers and people to the camp ground if you don't have a 4x4. I will keep you posted on that one. Book your holidays kids, it's all go.
These are the draft entry forms ans Sup Regs, which are likely to change if MSA have anny issues with them. I will advise when confirmed regs are posted.
http://www.47industries.com/storage/tp300entry2009Pinnaroo.pdf
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[Roycroft]

any idea on the the lap length yet?
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[Huskygoat]

Its says 25km
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[Huskygoat]

a Lot of talk of sound testing? whats your positon Mick? and if I make mine comply will it be enforced ? In NT we are ten years behind sorry 20 years behind we just got unleaded petrol, but you offer prize money . will my 580 kit in my 450 be ok? don't see a old farts class. Do you think the Rhino will pull the Tarago the last 2 km's? whats with all the sand? sand in your jocks not that good. and if I ride my 505 ktm greatest quad on the planet my calulation say its 450+ 5.9% can't argue with that ? what that you say? oh is there a prize for running over roycroft???????????
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[47industries]

Absolutely.....um, I mean, don't be nasty!
Looks like the local council is coming to the party and fixing the track for us. Don't stress, 2x4 ok but 4x4's would still be ideal. The local guy's in Pinnaroo are also going to build jumps and a water crossing (in the desert....cool) near the pits as part of the track so the spectators can have a good look at what you can do on a farm machine with the racks taken off.
Noise testing, well all of the X-Team riders will be legal (Bullet is making sure of that) but it's not up to me if MSA turn up to noise test or not, it's up to them. Let's just say that I will not be going out of my way to suggest that they do!
450 Pro class. Well I thought it would be you that picked that up first. LOL. 450cc limit is in the sup regs, not the MOMS, so it is not 450 + 5%.
I'm not limiting the riders in a class, in fact I have added another class. I would fiinancially prefer to just run the open mens class, but I thought we should take a step towards what the rest of the world is doing (GNCC's) and run a 450 pro class. If nobody wants to enter it, I will cancel the class. What's wrong Husky, isn't the KTM 450 and Polaris 450 any good? (man, I'm just begging for a blasting with that one). Just letting you know I still have a sence of humour. Let's see what the entries say once the sup regs are approved.
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[Huskygoat]

I don't read in the regs about the illegibility 450 pro class? Paid professional or a golf pro? Is Ed considered a pro can he win outright and pro . I think his little ktm 450 gets along quite nicely. can I book a late entry a Vivian and I would love to come but work will take us up to only days before. anyway we will try our best.
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[47industries]

All senior entries apart from teams are eligable for the outright win. So if Ed enters Pro 450 on a KTM 450 and has the fastest time over all classes, he will go home with $2,800 plus a trophy, a t-shirt, a race plaque, a swag, a Belray product kit and more goodies from our sponsors. I have been talking to our sponsors at Oztrail, and they are sending us top quality swags to give the first place winner of each class, plus Belray oils are giving product kits to all podium finishers. There will be more. I will keep you all posted.
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[Huskygoat]

what is considered Pro?
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[Huskygoat]

Mick any chance of a vets class ? its late I know no prize needed . we old blokes ride for the honor and love. plenty of old guys with grudges hey lenny

mick can you ring me 0437 294 499
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[47industries]

Find me a $2,500 sponsor for the class and we will talk.
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[47industries]

2009 Thumb Pump 300 Round 1 has been confirmed and the entry forms and Sup Regs are now available for download on the 47industries web site. Just click on the TP300 logo on the top left of the home page to access the PDF file. http://www.47industries.com/home.htm
Entries are now open and will close at the current price on the 17th of April. Late entries will incur a fee.
Hope to see you all at the track on Anzac weekend, 20km south of Pinnaroo. A map to the camp ground will be available as the event get closer. Give me a call if you have any questions, but read the sup regs first.
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[Huskygoat]

AS your aware Mick now your offering prize money things change.

Only non riders are to set tracks. as a rider of Kamfari I am forbidden to see the track . If a rider has deemed to have prior knowledge he will excluded. is this the case at thumb pump?

I knew there was going to be a fee for late entry ..how much.

What is the penalty for cutting the Track? is it exclusion?

Second day do we start on corrected time?

Are you allowed help in pits from pit crew? eg fueling and tyre changes?

Have you got transponders ? If not do you need a hand to get them .I think I have 50.

Is there any rules for the amount of laps for a finish?

Is there a lap requirement per rider for pony express?

Did I read a Le mans start if so Have you diagram in the regs . Line up seeds or does the major sponsor get the first ten spots?

Are you using a shot gun or a flag to start the race?

I do read this is MA event?

How are making sure a 450 is a 450?

Have you stated DB level in the regs or are you referring to the handbook?

As you stated above 450cc no + 5% . Does open class mean My Arctic cat 1000 is ok ?

Are Paddle tyres ok ?

Where Does a 350 Banchee fit ? which Class? Open or 450? maybe a slightly worked one say 440cc?

should keep you busy for a little while Mick.
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[Clarkie]

Huskygoat, I asked the question about the banshee capacity the other day in general chit chat and was informed it is an open class bike.
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[Huskygoat]

Just another if this is a series what points are allocated to each round?

what if a round is cancelled due to rain?

Is there a overall out right winner ?
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[Clarkie]

I live 200km away from the track, just as much posability of rain cancelling the event as a snow blizzard . only had 1.2mm of rain this year
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[PeteW]

MOMS 2009
22.6.4 Quads- Enduro/Cross
Desert Classes
Enduro/Cross Country, Desert
Up to 850cc 2WD/4WD.

That would exclude your Arctic Cat 1000....

Also from MOMS 2009

12.8.9 Tyres
12.8.9.1 Tyres must comply with the following:
a) Metal studs, spikes, chain, rope or
other non-skid attachments may
not be used unless permitted by the
relevant SR.
b) Treads on tyres must be at least
1mm deep on any part of the tyre
that comes in contact with the
ground.
c) The tread depth indicating holes on
slick tyres must be clearly visible and
at least 0.5mm deep.
d) Paddle or scoop treaded tyres may
not be fitted.
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[Huskygoat]

The rain Q seems a little silly but I have ridden events in Qld that got stopped half way due to rain. and that TP 2 will be.
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[Huskygoat]

yes pete it clearly states in the regs "open class" same doc that says 450 is 450 not the hand book. so the 450 as gcr's are + 5% is this not true.

12.1. All machines entered must comply with the current GCRs for Quads competition. 4x4 class machines must be capable of engaging 4 wheel
drive if required. Pro class machines must not exceed 450cc.
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[yogie]

Huskygoat wrote:

12.1. All machines entered must comply with the current GCRs for Quads competition. .

what is the GCR's, isnt that what the yanks use as their enduro's ? and if so why dont we go by MA rules, sorry if its stupid question

PeteW wrote:

d) Paddle or scoop treaded tyres may not be fitted.

whats a scoop treaded tyre pete ?
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[PeteW]

yogie wrote:

Huskygoat wrote: 12.1. All machines entered must comply with the current GCRs for Quads competition. . what is the GCR's, isnt that what the yanks use as their enduro's ? and if so why dont we go by MA rules, sorry if its stupid question PeteW wrote: d) Paddle or scoop treaded tyres may not be fitted. whats a scoop treaded tyre pete ?

GNCC is the US enduro series
GCR = General Competiton Rules and are in the MA Manual of Motorcycle Sport

scoop is another name for paddle tyre, just MA covering their bases .
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[PeteW]

Huskygoat wrote:

yes pete it clearly states in the regs "open class" same doc that says 450 is 450 not the hand book. so the 450 as gcr's are + 5% is this not true. 12.1. All machines entered must comply with the current GCRs for Quads competition. 4x4 class machines must be capable of engaging 4 wheel drive if required. Pro class machines must not exceed 450cc.

the GCR's are a bit contradictory on the +5% rule.

22.4 ENGINES - QUADS

22.4.1.3 The actual engine capacity of a machine
competing in a capacity class is not to
exceed the prescribed capacity for that
class by more than 5%.

but in the all disciplines chapter...

12.4.5 Engine Capacity Tolerances
12.4.5.1 Unless otherwise stated in the following table, the actual engine capacity of a machine competing in a capacity class may not exceed the prescribed capacity for that class by more than 2%

Class Permitted Excess
Sidecar/Cycle Car machines 5%
Historic RR, Classic Dirt Track,
Classic Motocross 5%
80cc 2T machines pre 95 5%
Record Attempts/ Senior Speedway Nil
65cc & 85cc Machines Nil
4T Mini Bikes (fast 50's) Nil
Road Race Sidecars Nil

having said all that, Supp Regs can specify classes that are not covered under the GCR's for that discipline (i.e. Jumbo Juniors and Senior Production for MX and of course the 4x4 class at TP300 last year) so it is not unreasonable for the Pro Class to be specified that way.
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[Huskygoat]

This is the first time I have seen this rule in the Handbook. Probably so Polaris can run there 850 in the Safari haha .


22.6.4 Quads- Enduro/Cross Country,
Desert Classes
Enduro/Cross Country, Desert only
Up to 850cc 2WD/4WD

Clarkie Technically you can run in 450 class as this rule does nothing for enduro racing. Mick needs to clean up the regs to specify what cc 2 stoke he will allow if at all in the 450 class . Its very unusual in Australia that 450 has been nominated ( unless can am don't have a big bore kit ha ha) . The GAS GAS 300 is quickest enduro quad out there ( Not many around )
The regs we write for enduros which we run 6-7 a year is " up to 500cc" and " over 500cc " 2 or 4 stroke. this allows the big bore 450s to race against the banshees.

I wonder who's brain wave decided on the stadium class


22.6.2 Quads- Stadium Classes
CLASS(ES) RACING
Open 2-stroke Modifi ed,
(max capacity 550cc) Open 4-stroke Modifi ed, Race Together
(max capacity 700cc)
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[PeteW]

Huskygoat wrote:

This is the first time I have seen this rule in the Handbook. Probably so Polaris can run there 850 in the Safari haha . 22.6.4 Quads- Enduro/Cross Country, Desert Classes Enduro/Cross Country, Desert only Up to 850cc 2WD/4WD Clarkie Technically you can run in 450 class as this rule does nothing for enduro racing. Mick needs to clean up the regs to specify what cc 2 stoke he will allow if at all in the 450 class . Its very unusual in Australia that 450 has been nominated ( unless can am don't have a big bore kit ha ha) . The GAS GAS 300 is quickest enduro quad out there ( Not many around ) The regs we write for enduros which we run 6-7 a year is " up to 500cc" and " over 500cc " 2 or 4 stroke. this allows the big bore 450s to race against the banshees. I wonder who's brain wave decided on the stadium class 22.6.2 Quads- Stadium Classes CLASS(ES) RACING Open 2-stroke Modifi ed, (max capacity 550cc) Open 4-stroke Modifi ed, Race Together (max capacity 700cc)

the whole quad section of the MOMS could do with a work over to clean all that sort of stuff up.

the 850cc capacity rule for enduro/desert racing was instigated for safari so that the Rengades would be legal...... (and for anyone else who has an up to 850cc quad of course)
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