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[Trud]

Great news with Entries topping the 100 mark makes for a great weekend of racing at the Murray Bridge MX Track this weekend Sunday 17th May.

Riders from Vic, SA, NSW, WA, QLD and the NT are all making the long haul across to Murray Bridge for some spectacular racing.

Camping available at the track for $10 per vehicle. Accomodation guide and map to track can be found on www.qrcv.com.au as well as the entry form

Rotary will be preparing all food including breakfast, lunch and food during presentation. Please support Rotary as all their proceeds will be going to charity which is just fantastic.

Look out in the Murray Bridge Standard newspaper for a press release this weekend.

Dont forget to get your entries in asap so you dont miss out.

Look forward to seeing you all there.
cheers
Trud

[OZ_450]

good luck to everyone who has entered and have fun
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[PeteW]

Results now up from Murray Bridge and for the Series so far. Juniors and Seniors are listed separatley

http://qrcv.com.au/open/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=2&id=40&Itemid=40
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[tuffer]

Big thankyou to QRCV for organising the Murray Bridge tri state series, it was a fantastic day for the riders aswell as the spectators.
Thanks also to QRSA for all their help in organising the track, especially Howie and Dean for the superb track prep.
And to the volunteers who stood there in the rain all day and made the day happen, cheers for giving us your time.
See you at the next one.

[ATV PRO]

I was wondering why every class seems to be a support class apart from Pro ? I realize its the premier class ...but hey its about everyone in the sport ,isn't it ?
It also seems that their is very little written or Pics taken about these so called support classes in editorials that are released straight after the racing ? Not being picky on Tri State only but hey There is generally 10 Pro Racers and the other 80 were...the other classes and they were deemed Support ?Why do that ?everyone already knows the Pro is premiere ,I don't know its just ,You know the Vibe, I just feel we are going down the 2 wheeler Road ...and being in the so called support class feels kinda insignificant ? Maybe just maybe drop the Support word and leave it as a class it is ,give the same exposure in the write ups and hey I think the sport will grow as each class has an ego ,so why not feed it ,especially the juniors as it builds em up before they get to the Pro Class .Production Class hardly got a mention ...maybe cover all other classes a little more ,I'm sure is would help with more entries, business and general growth to the sport JMHO.
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[jumbo danny]

ATV NRG wrote:

I was wondering why every class seems to be a support class apart from Pro ? I realize its the premier class ...but hey its about everyone in the sport ,isn't it ? It also seems that their is very little written or Pics taken about these so called support classes in editorials that are released straight after the racing ? Not being picky on Tri State only but hey There is generally 10 Pro Racers and the other 80 were...the other classes and they were deemed Support ?Why do that ?everyone already knows the Pro is premiere ,I don't know its just ,You know the Vibe, I just feel we are going down the 2 wheeler Road ...and being in the so called support class feels kinda insignificant ? Maybe just maybe drop the Support word and leave it as a class it is ,give the same exposure in the write ups and hey I think the sport will grow as each class has an ego ,so why not feed it ,especially the juniors as it builds em up before they get to the Pro Class .Production Class hardly got a mention if any ? Come on you people who run the events and write the stories include everyone ,be unique in the world of Motorsports ,you will be rewarded by more entries, business and general growth to the sport JMHO.

lennie you da man come on i know that i don't post much but the kids in the 90 field wow that was some good racing and the vets oppisite end of the scale attracting a women rider good on ya donna stick to the old dutch man and the rest of them i cannt wait to get back into racing a big bike again
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jumbo danny wrote:

ATV NRG wrote: I was wondering why every class seems to be a support class apart from Pro ? I realize its the premier class ...but hey its about everyone in the sport ,isn't it ? It also seems that their is very little written or Pics taken about these so called support classes in editorials that are released straight after the racing ? Not being picky on Tri State only but hey There is generally 10 Pro Racers and the other 80 were...the other classes and they were deemed Support ?Why do that ?everyone already knows the Pro is premiere ,I don't know its just ,You know the Vibe, I just feel we are going down the 2 wheeler Road ...and being in the so called support class feels kinda insignificant ? Maybe just maybe drop the Support word and leave it as a class it is ,give the same exposure in the write ups and hey I think the sport will grow as each class has an ego ,so why not feed it ,especially the juniors as it builds em up before they get to the Pro Class .Production Class hardly got a mention if any ? Come on you people who run the events and write the stories include everyone ,be unique in the world of Motorsports ,you will be rewarded by more entries, business and general growth to the sport JMHO. lennie you da man come on i know that i don't post much but the kids in the 90 field wow that was some good racing and the vets oppisite end of the scale attracting a women rider good on ya donna stick to the old dutch man and the rest of them i cannt wait to get back into racing a big bike again

Thanks Jumbo ,not you champ ...The write ups that go to the various web site after the race meetings is all ,just think its good to lift all the racers and Classes with the Pen and pics ,it also helps them to honor their sponsors ...the stuff that make the sport go round when you run out of your own money ....
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[Ms 450]

thanks Danny, I loved the vets class and will keep doing it where possible.

I love reading about the other classes and agree it would be nice to hear more. One way of achieving this would be to encourage more riders to write articles for their club websites as this isn't an easy job and sometimes you find yourself always focusing on the same people. I know this to be the case from doing the dualroost mag in SA, it wasn't until others helped out that more people were included.
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[OZ_450]

i agree len

at vic series the expert class should be the premiere class and pros the support as at colac only 3 pro riders and i think was about 7 or 8 expert

looks similar at swan hill and also murray bridge or vets be the premiere
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[ATV PRO]

Ms 450 wrote:

thanks Danny, I loved the vets class and will keep doing it where possible. I love reading about the other classes and agree it would be nice to hear more. One way of achieving this would be to encourage more riders to write articles for their club websites as this isn't an easy job and sometimes you find yourself always focusing on the same people. I know this to be the case from doing the dualroost mag in SA, it wasn't until others helped out that more people were included.

Thanks I agree with what you say that people should contribute ,however it has to be done pretty quick to hit the press and the same people who do the write up are generally watching and of part of the club/ committee/spectator ... and in a better position to keep an eye on each class with Points results ...but hey just drop the word Support from the Regs /Programs and call it how it is ,no premier class ,just the class it is , I feel that would eliminate half the issue ,then take a one liner to two and include all classes in the write up ,maybe volunteers of each class could be the reporter to the editor on event day and job done , one big happy Family ...also the Nationals should have every class a Championship class and if the numbers are low on the day then its not deemed a championship ,I know racers who are reluctant to enter certain classes because of this ,we end up with people in wrong classes and a Glut of racer in one class but very few in another ,JMHO .
I hope SA do it right this year with the Regs /classes ...I know you guys hold a great venue and the track is the best Quad orientated track I have ever ridden (QRCV did a gr8 job too!)! Sensational ...I take my hat off to you SA ,Oh Yeh great to be racing with you in the Vets !
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[ATV PRO]

OZ_450 wrote:

i agree len at vic series the expert class should be the premiere class and pros the support as at colac only 3 pro riders and i think was about 7 or 8 expert looks similar at swan hill and also murray bridge or vets be the premiere

Thanks Brad ,
The majority in Quad racers are Good Riders who are unable to ride enough or not quite fit enough to do 20 min motos so that's why 20 Pros enter with Top 10 being competitive and the other 10 want to be in a Championship class ,or they go to Vets when they hit 35 ,hence the large numbers at Nationals...

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[Todd 127]

Maybe they should reduce the Pro class to 15 mins. There's enough top riders but like Len said , they don't have the time to dedicated to training/riding. I beleive it will increase the numbers.

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Then i can have a go. and build the quad for the job.

[bullet]

Todd 127 wrote:

Maybe they should reduce the Pro class to 15 mins. There's enough top riders but like Len said , they don't have the time to dedicated to training/riding. I beleive it will increase the numbers.

I think our sport is set up pretty well as far as structure goes, but we just don't have the numbers.
I reckon te 'Premiere' or Pro class should keep an elite sort of 'superman' vibe to it.
It's only these top guys who should be able to run in th 'Pro' class.
And maybe it should be too hard for the rest of us mere humans.
The shame is that because we don't have the numbers, pretty much anyone can enter.
In Australia, you could enter and run last, getting lapped every race, and say "i'm a Pro"
When we grow to consistantly more than 20 entrants... it will be great because it will be difficult just to earn a spot in the elite class.
Just Imagine 20 Brentons, McKays and Lancasters out there at once.
Quads would be on Australian TV every night
but until then... maybe it could be reduced to 15 mintes just so we can fill a grid.
Dunno... I can see both sides.

I still think Expert should be called 'Intermediate' too.
And if it's not the top class nd there are no other class definng factors, why would it have a championship status.
Sort of like champion of the group below the champions, or best of the ones who are not full on enough to run Pros.
It has negtives like encouraging sand baging too.

When looking at growth, some entrants might not want 'championship status' in their class.
It could be seen as too serious, too intimidating.
Not being championship kind of keeps some classes more fun and recreational.

Where a class like Vets does have different defining conditions like age limits etc, sure, I can see that being champioship worthy.

Definitely Ladies, Juniors and other classes too.
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[ATV PRO]

Todd 127 wrote:

Maybe they should reduce the Pro class to 15 mins. There's enough top riders but like Len said , they don't have the time to dedicated to training/riding. I believe it will increase the numbers.

Good Point Todd I believe it would create closer racing ,still determine the best rider ,better for the spectators and fit more events in one day .
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[IC chill]

Instead of cutting pro's laps maybe cut out less significant races like jumbo juniors that would save more than enough time and profesionalize the sports image i would think.

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bullet wrote:

Todd 127 wrote: Maybe they should reduce the Pro class to 15 mins. There's enough top riders but like Len said , they don't have the time to dedicated to training/riding. I beleive it will increase the numbers. I think our sport is set up pretty well as far as structure goes, but we just don't have the numbers. I reckon te 'Premiere' or Pro class should keep an elite sort of 'superman' vibe to it. It's only these top guys who should be able to run in th 'Pro' class. And maybe it should be too hard for the rest of us mere humans. The shame is that because we don't have the numbers, pretty much anyone can enter. In Australia, you could enter and run last, getting lapped every race, and say "i'm a Pro" When we grow to consistantly more than 20 entrants... it will be great because it will be difficult just to earn a spot in the elite class. Just Imagine 20 Brentons, McKays and Lancasters out there at once. Quads would be on Australian TV every night but until then... maybe it could be reduced to 15 mintes just so we can fill a grid. Dunno... I can see both sides. I still think Expert should be called 'Intermediate' too. And if it's not the top class nd there are no other class definng factors, why would it have a championship status. Sort of like champion of the group below the champions, or best of the ones who are not full on enough to run Pros. It has negtives like encouraging sand baging too. When looking at growth, some entrants might not want 'championship status' in their class. It could be seen as too serious, too intimidating. Not being championship kind of keeps some classes more fun and recreational. Where a class like Vets does have different defining conditions like age limits etc, sure, I can see that being champioship worthy. Definitely Ladies, Juniors and other classes too.

Hey Bullit ,
I agree wholeheartedly the Pro class should be the superman class ..and is ! I take my hat off to those guys ! IMHO 15 minutes is plenty ,maybe we will put it to the Quad committee and in turn the members of each state for a vote ?
It would also be good to see the rest of the classes get a fair go for them and their sponsors .I feel some of the recent MX stories in general lacked necessary content for " the other classes"without taking anything away from the Pro Class just add a little more for the rest ...
The thing I like about ATV racing in OZ is the people come together unlike other motor sports and I also believe most spectators are families and friends of the racers ...Unfortunately Joe Public knows little about ATV Racing and its existence so Sponsors tend to be in house they will cover Pro ,Expert,Club man,Vets,Production and the Little ones , I just hope they all get a good plug in the write ups in future as it all helps .
If you could capture what Hugh does with the microphone on race day ,you're on a winner
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[Roycroft]

len len len, for all the times i have disagreed with you.

i am finally with you on this one, expert is our step up to pros, the status should be lifted, to a championship event, and with the field ever growing at each round, why not? and it should be called Pro Am not expert or intermedite.

not everyone has a budget to be a pro, or the time to spend the hrs on the machines to keep up with front runners. i raced on the weekend to make up numbers and give it a good go, 22 mins is great fun but i believe no fun for the specators as i have watched many pro races, only to watch lap after lap of single man riding with no fighting for postions like that of the expert, or other classes. in the USA all national mx racing is differant with only 2 x 20 min motos for the whole weekend, with extended practice.
i don't propose that but maybe 3 x 15min for most pro races and motos and for the nationals make it 5 x 15min + 1?

at the NSW open event we are only doing the 15min +1 for the pros and it should be some close racing.

i love 10-12min motos, both watching and competing as they are far better to watch, you get everyman and Vet out in front to mix it with everyone.


Hey Bullet if you go to the nationals you are there for a reason, like everyone else you don't go to the nationals to try your hand at racing, you go there to win a championship, whats the point of having a class at the nationals if you cannot claim the championship status???
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[Wadey]

My view for whats its worth, leave the bigger meetings at 20 min. for the Pro class, being able to ride those bikes, that quick, for that long, is partly what makes this class our premier class, Shorten the time and it becomes a little more about who's got the fastest bike. As it stands now at the 20 min. mark its more about rider fitness and ability and less about bike performance. I appreciate 20 mins may be a little tiresome for some spectators but I've actually never heard anybody complain about watching a Pro class race with the quality of riders such as Lancaster, Brenton and Co. even when the rest of the field does become spread out. As it stands now, its the goal of most of our junior riders to reach that elite level, and its the combination of bike, fitness, stamina and talent that these juniors admire so much and strive to compete in..

[Huskygoat]

Kids these days have no heart leave it at 20min for young fellas who put the hard work in training not the Terry 2lapers of this world.

Jumbo Juniors I really don't see the point. Adults on kids bikes sorta like going to Show and riding the Merry go round .
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[bullet]

Roycroft wrote:

Hey Bullet if you go to the nationals you are there for a reason, like everyone else you don't go to the nationals to try your hand at racing, you go there to win a championship, whats the point of having a class at the nationals if you cannot claim the championship status???

I've been to the last 3 Nationals, and won a few things but I don't think any of them were championship classes.
Maybe they were but I don't honestly know because i'm not that interested in the 'status'.
I just go for the racing and to try and win anyway.
And 'the point' is event support classes.

I agree with Wadey's 20 minute view so far but, can also see that sport growth is important... ie. numbers on the grid.
Which probably wont be a problem at the SA Nats due to central location.
But the opposite might be the case, and time in the day could be tight.
So still a tough question.
Anyone for 17 mins +1

For those states who don't run Jumbo's... I can understand the lack of acceptance.
Many examples like MrsB and Mrs450 started in Jumbos, and then moved up.
Without those 2 in ladies in SA and eastern state racing, Womens quad racing might have really struggled to get a class for a lot of events.
Think about sport growth before canning any class, especially the classes that are easy to start off in.
Some of the less serious classes (non championship status and all) are the less intimidating classes where our members cut their teeth.
Leave the prefix 'Pro' out of it... and you might get higher participation ?

Next Royroft will want to start Pro-clubman
Leave Pro's for the Pro's, and those that aren't so serious can just have fun.
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[badngood]

yep i agree with dave leave the pros at 20 min. as for the (less serious )classes maybe you should think about building up the expert class (not intermediate) as in championship class to entice more riders to put in and strive to make pros . just my 2bobs worth.

[Trud]

Hello

I suggest you all read the GCRs before you start talking about support classes. Until you do dont comment. !!

On the other hand i also suggest that you as riders might take the time to send work to the editor as suggested by Mrs G - it seems to me that you are all happy to winge rather than take a positive roll in the sport. We the QRCV bust our butts to try and get this sport happening and it is an enormous process to try and get the information out into the public. When you write to the magazines to submit work this is the format they require and unfortunealtly are only interested in the Pros. I try my best to get other classes in the format but they rewrite and edit leaving alot of my information out.
Am i offended yes i am.

Have i taken your posts the wrong way - maybe i have but please try to go to the right people to get this sport happening. The QRSA and The QRCV both busted their butts to get the 2nd round to the Tri State happening and in this ecomonmic climate it is extrememly hard. So far the 3rd round has no support what so ever.

If you keep commenting that we will end up like the 2 wheelers then that is how it will go. I am the sports sec for the 2 wheelers and process over 600 riders every month - if you want me to start treating the quad fraternity in the same way as the 2 wheelers run their events then let the games begin !!!!

Lets keep this sport positive and stop the bitching once and for all.
There are correct formats to get this sport happening and as i said in the begining if you are to ride at these events you need to know your GCRs so start studying them now.

I try to make myself available at most meetings and try to talk to you all to get info etc. Thats all i can do and i feel i do put in 100% in all avenues.

Trudy

[Trud]

AND ANOTHER THING:-
Yes these are all great ideas and like Bullet said we still dont have the numbers to get certain classes happening.

You all need to write letters to your Clubs and better still attend the meetings !!!! The only way to get change is to act.
Then the clubs can discuss and forward on to the Quad advisory committee.

There are correct processes and in order for you to stop flapping and get things done follow these formats and we will see change.

I Know the Quads are warmly accepted at MV in Victoria as we have put alot of effort and time into have good communication skills with them. Im sure the other states are in the same boat.

The governing bodies stick to their rules and formats and in order for us to see change we need to follow these rules.

The quad advisory committee are a great bunch of people who are willing to listen so if we forward the right information thru to them the we will see the sport grow

[bullet]

Hi Trudy,
I don't think anyone doubts your input to our sport, or the input of those other volunteers that are usually the same people every time.
You guys do a fantastic job, and I love your events and am always happy to jump in a class.

I guess you can't blame people for not being able to see the editors 'hacking' on your event reports etc, before the media pass on the information they think is best for their publication.

But this is a public forum and now you've explained the above to those people who otherwise had no way of knowing...
It's not bitching.
I think you'll find they share a bit of your frustration.
It's healthy for people to throw their opinion out there, as quite a few reasonably well infrmed people have in this particular thread.
Some ideas might make it to the Clubs and NQAC, which is good process really.

As i think MrsG has pointed out on this frum before...
17.7.1.1 refers to 'Intermediate class' , not Expert.
Which to me suggests skill level somewhere between Club level riding and Professional level.
Intermediate is a pretty good description.
To me the words Expert and Pro mean the same thing.
But that's just such a minor point.

Huge thanks Trud, for the Van Vliet passion in our sport.
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