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[Roycroft]

Hi Guys

i thought i would ask the question about next year, as myself and a few others organise the racing series, i have had a number of people make suggestions on how we can improve the racing series for next year,
some of the suggestions are

4-5 round series, like we did this year, some new venues maybe
or
4-5 round series to include rounds in northern NSW as well as Qld (this would include the Qld riders to assist in growing our sport as they do not have a dedicated Quad MX series, besides the thunder X

these rounds would be worked in with already planned club days with clubs that would have us, so we would not have to rely on Quad numbers only,
this series could be promoted as a northern state MX series and could potentially be a well supported series with sponsorship if it is organised correctly. we would also try not to conflict any dates with large open quad events, so numbers could be maximised,

class potential
A B and C grade, Vets, Womans, and beginners (one day licence holders who have never been on a track before )and Juniors in the Qld rounds and maybe NSW rounds once approved, we can also have fun events like a accumalted points for State of origin, an ironman event at each round, quad shootout like they are doing in the Super X, or a 2 lap dash for each class as something differeant

this series could be worked so we can grow the sport, like A grade could be 12 min motos, B and C could be 10 mins? this i would think would lift the quality of riders in the B and C so they could easily step it up into the next class without the pressure of having to do 15min or 20min motos once they reach A grade.

tell us your thoughts as me and others would like to be well planned to kick next year off and give everyone something to strive for.
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[Quad]

yep top stuff , have a idea soon.

Hi all ,Dont get this wrong in whot i going to say.

The next season racing , if you are talking of the hardiman cup.

As its been a few years now as this.

To get more sponsors and rides it maybe time to change the name to the NSWS CUP.

sO ITS NOT A ONE MAN BAND.

I can get a number of buissness owners for sponsors and more riders that will turn up if this was the way.

The work thats dun is good 4 rounds is great.

IF you wont more the name must be changed.

Then the $$$ will roll in and the extra riders.


NOW ITS NOTHING AGAINST ANYONE , JUST WHOT I WAS TOLD.

ONLY THAT I CAN HELP OUT FOR THIS.
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[dynamitediscodave]

sounds like you guys are planning a good season for next year. good luck. and i like the idea of trying to plan around other events. smart thinking! also including qld would be great

[Dino]

Quad State Of Origin? Good excuse for a social happenning.
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[SIKMIC]

4 rounds.
2 in each state.
A class- 12 or 15 min motos.
B/C/Womens class- 8 or 10 min motos.
Beginers- 4 laps.

Just some ideas.

Does anyone still have contact with the Moree MX Club?
A group of quad riders raced there in 2003 or 2004 and Dad still talks about that track sometimes.
If Barleigh Ranch is prepped like it was for the KTM Open that makes for some great racing.
Some QLD Tracks may be Gladstone, Clermont, Moranbah, Emerald, Blackwater or maybe some of the SEQ tracks like Roma, Reedy Creek, Tivoli (if the track is still open).

Heaps of options.
Would be good to see it come together. Maybe space the rounds out over the year so anyone who gets injured or breaks down they have time to heal and repair to keep numbers up.
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[dynamitediscodave]

yeah 2 of my mates raced at moree this sunday just gone.

i know someone on the comittie for mx club in moree. pm your number and i will contact him and pass details on...

and with track choice's if everyone wants to have a combined states comp the tracks need to be relativity close to the qld/nsw as i know some people who would not travel massive distances (and yes that would suck for guys who live top qld or lwr nsw)

[just doin it]

great idea mick, day licences should get more on the track, and here`s a left field, instead of all the races at each round being of a set time or number of laps, why not mix it up , say race 1 four laps ,race 2 six laps, race 3 two laps ,race 4 eight, or same time wise. a site lap before each race rather than 3-4 practice laps at the start of the day, as we all know how much a track changes when 200 bikes go out in front of you. anyway great work on the idea
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[dynamitediscodave]

just talked with a mate and he suggested moree as it would be close enough for QLD riders

he is going to talk to committe and see if there keen to run quads there.

slight problem with clerk of course there having a disdane for quads, lol

[Roycroft]

Quad, i hear your thoughts and they are welcome.

however

i do believe the people who would avoid the current event just because of the name of the series, must have some serious problems
over the last few years because of the major sponsor we have had trophies and an event to start with, these people who avoid the racing because they have a personal or business issue with the naming rights sponsor are missing out, everyone is entitled to there personal issues with people but this is not the place to start things like this, and please everybody do not start something as i and others want racing and this forum to be positive not about personal attacks

as it will be me and the organisers to obtain sponsors, Shane hardiman has always put his hand up to supply the trophies, when no one else did, as we did not require any other sponsorship for our events, Hardiman ATV became our major sponsor, if somebody has other sponsors that want to be involved, we will need them so bring it on please. PM me and we can start working on it.

keep the thoughts coming but no political issues please.
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[Quad]

hi MICK.

YES JUST A TROUGHT,

If the name was not a sponsors and a general name a lot more would join.

Being that $10000 got put in only one member gets the credit by name.

and a lot of just dont like the name ???.

So just asking if it was like NSWS SERIES EG, SPONSORED BY WHO EVER, 1 OR MORE, people would be more involed.

ill still ride whot ever happens. for numbers.
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[Todd 127]

Quad wrote:

hi MICK. YES JUST A TROUGHT, If the name was not a sponsors and a general name a lot more would join. Being that $10000 got put in only one member gets the credit by name. and a lot of just dont like the name ???. So just asking if it was like NSWS SERIES EG, SPONSORED BY WHO EVER, 1 OR MORE, people would be more involed. ill still ride whot ever happens. for numbers.

I think you have your own agenda there Darren.

Yamaha were the Major sponsor for the MX nationals...
'2009 Yamaha ATV Nationals'
.....Ohh i dont like Yamahas, i'm not riding.


Pull ya head in

Anyone is welcome to sponsor it. Why dont you ask your Mate JMC, if he can spend some of his money and put it back into the sport of ATV. I dont recall seeing that company sponsor ANYTHING.

[Todd 127]

I think Moree, Port Macquarie could be some good options. I would be happy to travel to Reedy creek and Tivoli, but have no interest in driving as far as Clermont, although its my favourite track.

10 hours is long enough to travel.

We could also drop one of our rounds, for people who cant make the furthest distance race. I would like to see a 6 round series.

[dynamitediscodave]

6 rounds spread over the whole year?
3 nsw 3 qld

and travel is always going to be an issue if as a whole we want to run a 2 state comp

[ace209]

iv have been approched ny the moree club to run quads and hav herd it is an awesome track so i think they will be interested, also warwick would be keen but i dont think they are afiliated with mq so that would be a problem.... Reedy ck should be interested, they already run a quad class that attracts around 10 quads each race day, and rumours that Tivoli are interested in quads again have been floatin around... Mick i think this is a great idea and if it comes this way a bit im sure it will gain good numbers of qld riders... keep me posted and if i can help in any way just let me no.... cheers
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[The Two Stroke Smoker]

Hey Todd didnt you read what your mate Mick said"keep the thoughts coming but no political issues please."

Aww thats right this dosnt apply to u right!!!!!


This is a great idea but why does this have to be only one series? Alot of riders dont ride in all state events [vic, tas wa etc], so for those people who want to stay in nsw and race why cant we have two series. Then the people that dont like each other dont have to attend that event.
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Roycroft wrote:

Quad, i hear your thoughts and they are welcome. however i do believe the people who would avoid the current event just because of the name of the series, must have some serious problems over the last few years because of the major sponsor we have had trophies and an event to start with, these people who avoid the racing because they have a personal or business issue with the naming rights sponsor are missing out, everyone is entitled to there personal issues with people but this is not the place to start things like this, and please everybody do not start something as i and others want racing and this forum to be positive not about personal attacks as it will be me and the organisers to obtain sponsors, Shane hardiman has always put his hand up to supply the trophies, when no one else did, as we did not require any other sponsorship for our events, Hardiman ATV became our major sponsor, if somebody has other sponsors that want to be involved, we will need them so bring it on please. PM me and we can start working on it. keep the thoughts coming but no political issues please.

Hello Mick ,
I see a valid point in what Darren is saying .
Why not have the name on what it is rather than who sponsors it ?
Not taking anything away from anyone and the contributions they have made to NSW has been awesome .
I believe if it is NSW Racing it could have a name like NSW ATV Series ...NSW Cup ,East Coast ATV Championships-series ...whatever !
Making it attractive for any business to sponsor it in a major or minor way.
My Agenda is simple ATV NRG would like to contribute towards a series in NSW and I am sure others would too .
I'm sure I can speak on behalf JMC ,Scott Bentley and Darren would also like to be part of it .
However if you have a Major sponsor in front of this IMHO it makes it not so attractive for like businesses to support .
KTM Paid Thousands in naming rights for one meeting NSW KTM Quad Challenge ! Put the series to KTM ,Yamaha,Polaris and so on
What would business contribute if there is a series ?
If you genuinely want the sport to grow in NSW , put it out there in the correct manner and make it fair for all businesses ,as It is done in every other state .
I look forward to your diplomatic response
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[greenhuman]

Nice to see you dragging me into this with your snide little comments, Todd. You always seem to forget that you have been involved in ATVing for only a blink of an eye in the scheme of things and you know absolutely nothing of my sponsoring history. You do, however, know how to bullshit and suck up to companies for freebies so keep up the good work for as long as your conscience allows.
The secret society must have been working overtime because I was not approached at anytime about trophies so don't go and say no-one else put their hand up, Michael.
It would also be a good idea to keep the Attack Todd under control. Its not a good look for his sponsors.

[Roycroft]

nice work guys, this topic has now turned into a slanging match, yes Todd you started it and John you finished it. nice work guys and all the guys in between thanks for your pr active comments.

Len your right we are looking for a major sponsor, and most likely we will come up with a name that best represents the series, for the last 2 years, Haridman Cup was the name of the event because he organised the trohies so his name was on there, go figure. John, your right we never approached you, this is something we will do in the future

anyway what ever we do we are not going to please everyone, whether people get on or not welcome to society and just sucking it in for the cause of our sport, we are quiet lucky guys we only have a small few that do not get on, imagine being in the 2 wheel scene or drag racing, with all the weirdo's in those sports.

also with our country we live in travel is always going to be involved, some of us have done over 20,000 km this year racing and we would like to reduce it down to the 1hr trips as well, it aint going to happen, also one of the great parts of racing is to visit differenat towns, and tracks and meet the people in this great country of ours, its these towns who get behind the sport so lets take our sport to them.
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[Dickie]

I think this is a great idea. Being from SEQ, there isn't a great deal of quad racing around. For this sport to grow, events need to be spread out over more than one weekend, and also include, as you guys have suggested, different formats of MX racing, be it as hook said, vary the number of laps or time out on the track.

But what i think also needs to happen is for more stuff to be going on at the track as well. This may seem weird, but as good as the services that Roma provided at the recent qld titles were, there was no appeal for people to stay at the track and mingle with each other. After the racing is finished, and if timing suited, people would be willing to sit around and have a BBQ and a few coldies and mingle with others in the sport.

Or on the other hand, why not get those sponsors who are sponsoring the event to bring a bus or a trailer to the event with some samples of products and merch for people to buy. These few little ideas may not get huge more numbers of riders, but it is advertisement for the companies sponsoring, possible future business and sales, and people get to meet the people selling the products and actually see some products before they buy. It might also attract more spectators, dads bringing there kids out to watch some atv racing action and buying them some merch.

what ever happens, it is good to see that people are trying to make this sport grow. Cheers mick, and lets hope these ideas can be put into motion.

[Todd 127]

Kids can race in QLd too, which is a bit of a positive for NSW juniors who want to race.

There is another Junior meeting soon for NSW, so hopefully by the time the series is getting closer to setting dates , we might be able to include JNRs.

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Roycroft wrote:

nice work guys, this topic has now turned into a slanging match, yes Todd you started it and John you finished it. nice work guys and all the guys in between thanks for your pr active comments. Len your right we are looking for a major sponsor, and most likely we will come up with a name that best represents the series, for the last 2 years, Haridman Cup was the name of the event because he organised the trohies so his name was on there, go figure. John, your right we never approached you, this is something we will do in the future anyway what ever we do we are not going to please everyone, whether people get on or not welcome to society and just sucking it in for the cause of our sport, we are quiet lucky guys we only have a small few that do not get on, imagine being in the 2 wheel scene or drag racing, with all the weirdo's in those sports. also with our country we live in travel is always going to be involved, some of us have done over 20,000 km this year racing and we would like to reduce it down to the 1hr trips as well, it aint going to happen, also one of the great parts of racing is to visit differenat towns, and tracks and meet the people in this great country of ours, its these towns who get behind the sport so lets take our sport to them.

Sounds good Mick ,lets get this show on the road ,we need to pick the tracks ,dates put a sponsorship proposal together .Nike just do it I would suggest start early like March and maybe finish in August to avoid clashing dates with Tri state and titles races if possible ? I could approach KTM Australia ,NSW KTM Dealers and maybe each Sponsored rider of each brand could do the same ? Possibly a Four Round series ,two in QLD Two in NSW and if keen make it a six round series and include Victoria with two rounds in Vic ? East coast ATV Series ?The juniors could race the Vic and Qld rounds if we cant put the juniors together in NSW for 2010 ? What do you think ?
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[SIKMIC]

Todd 127 wrote:

I think Moree, Port Macquarie could be some good options. I would be happy to travel to Reedy creek and Tivoli, but have no interest in driving as far as Clermont, although its my favourite track. 10 hours is long enough to travel. We could also drop one of our rounds, for people who cant make the furthest distance race. I would like to see a 6 round series.

If you aren't willing to travel up towards central QLD it is a bit much to expect the CQ riders to make it to the rounds. If you dont include Central QLD riders that is a considerable % of QLD's quad racers.
I know a few will be willing to do the K's to get to the southern events but it would be nice to atleast have 1 round close to home.
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[Pigz]

You guys are on to it with the whole name thing .When we called it the KTM challenge the riders did not come. I doubt that anyone would turn up to a can am classic

[The Two Stroke Smoker]

If this is going to be two round per state series shouldnt we post this in events not nsw discussion so we can get more people to put there two bob worth in?

I think we should focus on NSW at the present and get tracks and local buisness to be interested in our sport and where its heading. Yes it would be good to involve other states, but alot of riders in NSW would be prepered to travel 6-7 hours not 9-10 hours to reach those out of state events.


I think what you guys are saying two per state Vic Qld NSW would not help NSW racing but it would help ATV racing as a whole.
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[scottydig]

Hey Mick , one of the possible Qld venues for next year could be Coolum on the sunshine coast. They have just had a change in committee and are super keen to get quads there on a regular basis.QQRA has been talking with them ; Ace is the man to speak to. I 'm sure riders from the north and south wouldn't mind travelling to this neck of the woods for a black sand track, 2km from the beach with one of the best track, facilities and layouts in the country.thanks scotty.
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